These pillars have been not only interesting for me but have helped me build confidence in my son. It’s interesting to see yourself and also understand yourself better through this lens’. Thank you ❤️
Pillars 2, 4, and 7 are part of Gestalt Language Processing - in the research in English since Peters’ 1977 paper. Then Prizant in the 80’s. Then Blanc’s Natural Language Acquisition model moving forward.
So I guess it’s my autistic sense of justice to name this. So many of us autistic GLPs get locked out of literacy when this very well studied language processing style gets passed off as an ‘autism thing.’
If I am understanding your comment, it sounds like for you (based on your better understanding of the GLP research than mine at present) these categories are mutually exclusive? Like you are EITHER GLP or Autistic? My understanding (and I am admitting her I could absolutely be wrong and am here to learn from you) is that many GLP people are, in fact, Autistic.
My project is to look at autistic neurology the way geographically based cultures look at land structures. For instance, in the part of Italy my ancestors are from tomatoes grow very well in volcanic soil so we have a lot of marinara sauce. The sauce is part of the culture which comes from the typography. In Autistic culture we have a lot of Gestalt Language Processors due to the neurology of Autistic people. That means rhythmic communicating (as an example) is like marinara sauce -- it is a cultural artifact that comes from the neurology and gives us something like "vomit-on-the-sweater-already-moms-spaghetti" rhyming...
I'm not doing a medical or speech therapy project, I am doing a cultural artifacts shared project. I believe (or at least am hypothesizing) that Autistic culture can bring all Autistic people together the way Italian culture brings all Italian people together. It doesn't mean every single Italian person likes marinara sauce -- for sure, we don't! -- it's that we can recognize it as our culture.
Am I wrong to include a lot of (but not all Gestalt Language Processors) in that culture from your perspective? I'd like to understand your point better and I am not trying to put the labor on you. I know Print's work and the Blanc acquisition model but I don't know Peters' 1977 and will look that up and read it immediately.
I appreciate your participation in the conversation because I want everyone to feel included and my interpretation of your comment is that you did not. I'd like the opportunity to fix that.
Culture implies a sort of preference. Language processing is foundational to the individual. There are GLPs in every culture on the planet. Yet ALP dominates such that GLP remains mostly unmentioned in discussions about autism, even without the speaker knowing it.
Language is so fundamental to identity. I see what you are trying to accomplish. But the autistic advocate space is so well saturated with people who will not name GLP as such. Autistic coaches who have never heard of us, who got their start from being motivated by a social media influencer who likewise never heard of GLPs.
Because GLP is often framed as a ‘quirk’ of autism, or a pillar of culture in your framing, the forces arrayed against such quirks, namely the abusive ABA lobby, design methods to train us out of this ‘behaviour.’
So the few of us autistic GLPs that do have a small platform often pop into spaces like yours to say …”hi, we exist. Here’s a hundred years of research on language development. Thank you for not erasing us in your reframing.”
Culture implies a sort of preference... I'm stuck on this one... Does it... Like if I say Italian Culture is that saying it's better than something or a preference for something? Like a preference over what. Again - I respect your right not to educate me and I will do my own work here. I am already learning so much from you and I am very very very grateful for your contribution and giving me a chance to learn more and understand.
As I am reading this I am thinking a lot about the role of language in the formation of Deaf culture. Obviously sign languages (of which there are many) are at the heart of Deaf culture and yet not EVERYONE in Deaf culture is a native or fluent signer. Many older Deaf people were raised in an oralism tradition which caused a lot of trauma (Trauma with some similarities to that of the abusive ABA lobby designing methods to train deaf kids out of using their native language.) Deaf activists wouldn't stand for that and Autistic advocates shouldn't stand for it either.
I guess what I'm trying to wrap my head around is why wouldn't we want GLP at the heart of Autistic culture too - even if every Autistic person isn't a GLP or every Gestalt Language processor isn't Autistic? (THIS IS A GENUINE QUESTION NOT A CHALLENGE TO YOUR CLEARLY SUPERIOR AND VALUED KNOWLEDGE _ I AM NOT ARGUING_ I AM LEARNING IN A BOTTOM UP FASHION.)
I will vow to you now I will do my work here and I will name this more often, clearly and directly.
Love this!!! Thank you for sharing. I think I'll be returning to these pillars time and time again in order to internalize them.
It's a completely different way of thinking about autism but one, that I hope, can unite us all.
These pillars have been not only interesting for me but have helped me build confidence in my son. It’s interesting to see yourself and also understand yourself better through this lens’. Thank you ❤️
Pillars 2, 4, and 7 are part of Gestalt Language Processing - in the research in English since Peters’ 1977 paper. Then Prizant in the 80’s. Then Blanc’s Natural Language Acquisition model moving forward.
So I guess it’s my autistic sense of justice to name this. So many of us autistic GLPs get locked out of literacy when this very well studied language processing style gets passed off as an ‘autism thing.’
Fascinating!
If I am understanding your comment, it sounds like for you (based on your better understanding of the GLP research than mine at present) these categories are mutually exclusive? Like you are EITHER GLP or Autistic? My understanding (and I am admitting her I could absolutely be wrong and am here to learn from you) is that many GLP people are, in fact, Autistic.
My project is to look at autistic neurology the way geographically based cultures look at land structures. For instance, in the part of Italy my ancestors are from tomatoes grow very well in volcanic soil so we have a lot of marinara sauce. The sauce is part of the culture which comes from the typography. In Autistic culture we have a lot of Gestalt Language Processors due to the neurology of Autistic people. That means rhythmic communicating (as an example) is like marinara sauce -- it is a cultural artifact that comes from the neurology and gives us something like "vomit-on-the-sweater-already-moms-spaghetti" rhyming...
I'm not doing a medical or speech therapy project, I am doing a cultural artifacts shared project. I believe (or at least am hypothesizing) that Autistic culture can bring all Autistic people together the way Italian culture brings all Italian people together. It doesn't mean every single Italian person likes marinara sauce -- for sure, we don't! -- it's that we can recognize it as our culture.
Am I wrong to include a lot of (but not all Gestalt Language Processors) in that culture from your perspective? I'd like to understand your point better and I am not trying to put the labor on you. I know Print's work and the Blanc acquisition model but I don't know Peters' 1977 and will look that up and read it immediately.
I appreciate your participation in the conversation because I want everyone to feel included and my interpretation of your comment is that you did not. I'd like the opportunity to fix that.
No. GLP is language processing. It’s not mutually exclusive. A majority of autistics are GLPs. A significant minority of neurotypicals are as well.
Conversely, a significant minority of autistics are Analytic Language Processors, like the majority of neurotypicals.
Culture implies a sort of preference. Language processing is foundational to the individual. There are GLPs in every culture on the planet. Yet ALP dominates such that GLP remains mostly unmentioned in discussions about autism, even without the speaker knowing it.
Language is so fundamental to identity. I see what you are trying to accomplish. But the autistic advocate space is so well saturated with people who will not name GLP as such. Autistic coaches who have never heard of us, who got their start from being motivated by a social media influencer who likewise never heard of GLPs.
Because GLP is often framed as a ‘quirk’ of autism, or a pillar of culture in your framing, the forces arrayed against such quirks, namely the abusive ABA lobby, design methods to train us out of this ‘behaviour.’
So the few of us autistic GLPs that do have a small platform often pop into spaces like yours to say …”hi, we exist. Here’s a hundred years of research on language development. Thank you for not erasing us in your reframing.”
😊😉🙃❤️
Culture implies a sort of preference... I'm stuck on this one... Does it... Like if I say Italian Culture is that saying it's better than something or a preference for something? Like a preference over what. Again - I respect your right not to educate me and I will do my own work here. I am already learning so much from you and I am very very very grateful for your contribution and giving me a chance to learn more and understand.
As I am reading this I am thinking a lot about the role of language in the formation of Deaf culture. Obviously sign languages (of which there are many) are at the heart of Deaf culture and yet not EVERYONE in Deaf culture is a native or fluent signer. Many older Deaf people were raised in an oralism tradition which caused a lot of trauma (Trauma with some similarities to that of the abusive ABA lobby designing methods to train deaf kids out of using their native language.) Deaf activists wouldn't stand for that and Autistic advocates shouldn't stand for it either.
I guess what I'm trying to wrap my head around is why wouldn't we want GLP at the heart of Autistic culture too - even if every Autistic person isn't a GLP or every Gestalt Language processor isn't Autistic? (THIS IS A GENUINE QUESTION NOT A CHALLENGE TO YOUR CLEARLY SUPERIOR AND VALUED KNOWLEDGE _ I AM NOT ARGUING_ I AM LEARNING IN A BOTTOM UP FASHION.)
I will vow to you now I will do my work here and I will name this more often, clearly and directly.
Love you pillars I identify with them all!
Wow! Wonderful. Super positive. Love this! X
Love and recognise all of these pillars.
Very insightful! It's very interesting to look at our culture and identity through these pillars.