How Derek Discovered He's AuDHD
In this episode, Angela speaks with Derek Crager about his journey from burnout to belonging — finding safety, purpose, and pride in a late autism diagnosis at 50.
In this meeting of The Late Diagnosis Club, Dr. Angela Kingdon welcomes technologist and advocate Derek Crager, who discovered he was Autistic and ADHD at age 50 — after decades of burnout, masking, and surviving unsafe workplaces.
Derek shares how that late diagnosis changed everything: his relationships, his leadership at Amazon, and his mission to build Pocket Mentor, a voice-based AI tool that helps real humans — not “ideal employees” — get the support they need in the moment they need it.
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🪑 Attendees
Chair: Dr Angela Kingdon — Author, community-builder, and Autistic advocate
Guest: Derek Crager — Autistic/ADHD technologist, founder of Pocket Mentor, and author of Human First AI
You: The Listener!
🗒️ Meeting Agenda
Opening remarks from the Chair
Member introduction: Derek’s 10-year road to diagnosis
Discussion: Work, masking, and Autistic safety
Key learnings from the meeting
Club announcements
🧾 Minutes from the Meeting
1️⃣ Opening Remarks
Angela opens the meeting by reminding listeners:
“You’re allowed to take ten years to get here. We saved you a seat.”
2️⃣ Member Introduction: Derek’s Story
Derek describes decades of dangerous job sites and social isolation before finally receiving his AuDHD diagnosis at 50. Realising his brain wasn’t broken — just wired for depth and precision — permitted him to stop apologising for his curiosity.
3️⃣ Discussion Highlights
From Surviving to Designing: How Derek turned his late diagnosis into an advantage at work.
Human-First AI: Building tech that adapts to people, not the other way around.
Autistic Belonging: Creating relationships and workplaces that honour honesty and safety..
4️⃣ Key Learnings
Late diagnosis brings clarity, not limitation.
Autistic design principles benefit everyone.
Authenticity at work is psychological safety in action.
🔗 Links
New Book: https://www.humanfirstai.net (Free Chapter)
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